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anonymous · Jul 31, 2006, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by milias

Hmm, Guild Wars is rated Teen, so legally speaking, kids under 13 shouldn't be playing this game at all.

I never knew that the rating was a law, I always thought it was more of a guideline for parents.

And while I'm posting being older doesnt make you mature. I'm 14 but that is no reason to class me with those idiots.

Bibblenorn · Jul 31, 2006, 05:02 AM // 05:02

The day I bought factions (about six weeks ago), and started playing guildwars again after a break of several months, I joined a random group for the first factions mission out of Tyria. It was a disaster. I experienced the height of rudness and immaturity. After we failed that mission, I tried a new group (I never stay with one who fails a mission, and puts the blame solely on the monk... me), and with the new group, I got lucky. They were a guild group, with only me as the random person (everyone always needs monks). They knew what they were doing, and they were very polite. I joined their guild (my old one had nobody on more recently than 3 months prior), and have found them to be very helpful, polite, and mature. Moral is, sometimes you get lucky.

Also, age has nothing to do with maturity. Just as some younger players can be very mature, some older ones can make you want to bang your head against the wall. Take the pair of 26 year olds I saw betting each other to snort sprinkles (yes, the ones you put on cakes) last semester.

So, join an active, mature guild, in an active, mature alliance.

Zui · Jul 31, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

There are plenty of mature PvPers. The problem you're facing, is the problem almost everyone has when they're looking for a pickup group; The majority of players who have no group, are extremely immature.

Here are a few suggestions and observations that I hope will help you:

1) Build a friends list. Everyone that you meet that's mature, willing to group, and a good player or willing to learn, add them to friends.

After awhile, you'll find that you can always build a team using only players from your friends list, and when you can't, you'll find your friends usually have other mature friends that can come. Or, at the very worst you might have to take 1-2 pickups, which certainly isn't as bad as a team full of pickups.

As odd as this may sound sound, PvP is just as much about social skills as it is about player skill and teamwork.

2) Find a guild. I'd advise against joining any guild that's advertising in local chat, as most of these guilds tend to not be serious PvP guilds, are highly inactive, have extremely immature leaders/officers/members, or are simply whacked out in some other way. I recommend only joining a guild where you already know some of the members(friends list ftw). This can land you in some great, serious guilds with mature members.

3) When you do PUG, try to form your own group. This way, when you have the guy who joins the group, logs on vent and screams "z0mg w0manz!1!!!" very ecstatically on Vent, or simply won't listen to anyone, you can kick them. Make sure to interview members, the best way to do this is instead of having a "Self-invite" policy, have a whisper for information policy when advertising. Make sure to ask them questions like; "What can you play?", "What are you currently rolled as?" "Can you play a/an *insert build* with *insert skills and attributes*?".

Make sure you know what build you want to play, and what skills and attributes everyone should have, before starting a PUG. When the players are finished rolling, inform them of their general role. Alot of people might already know it, but some may not. If you're going with a full PUG, try to pick a simple build, that doesn't require alot of teamwork or multi-tasking.

4) Never openly advertise personal information. It may be (very) important to you, but your average stranger doesn't care, and your average 10-year-old will hassle you about it until you put them on ignore.

5) The Gladiator's Arena fourms here are a great source of information. If you ever have a question about something in PvP, such as a build, tactic, or anything else, I recommend you post there about it(make sure to search first though). I'd also recommend you check out www.team-iq.net which is another excellent source of information on PvP.

lyra_song · Jul 31, 2006, 05:35 AM // 05:35

i think we need to differentiate between: Being Immature and Being an asshole.

A lot of my guild is not mature (burping contests on vent, crude jokes, etc), but we dont tolerate assholes.

majoho · Jul 31, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

A lot of my guild is not mature (burping contests on vent, crude jokes, etc), but we dont tolerate assholes.

But both kinds are equally annoying.

thunderpower · Jul 31, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Boyz will always be boys. You can expect stupid, immature stuff from anyone on this basis. Don't expect Mr and Mrs Mature and Polite to show uo on every corner.

Telling the kiddies in HA that you are husband and wife will just result sexist talk, stupid remarks, etc. Since the "free fame" gimmick builds HA is full of kids. More and more people with no skill/idea about the game invade HA to get the titles.

If you go in prime time to the int districts in HA you'll see that 95% of those there are w/r, r/w, r/me, n/mo (d/mo, d/me, r/p this weekend). Those people only care about fame, farming it. They don't care how boring a build is, not to mention how boring is to play the same build over and over again just to get fast fame.

I don't want to mention any names, but many of the so called "top HA guilds" are just a bunch of kids, with a few exceptions. So if you want mature people, try joining a guild or start your own one.

lyra_song · Jul 31, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by majoho

But both kinds are equally annoying.

to you maybe.

My guildmates can be immature, because its fun. We like to joke around a lot. However we dont have fun at other people's expense. Thats when you cross into asshole territory ;P

shardfenix · Jul 31, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56

In pvp, 50% of the players are adults. Of that 50%, 90% of them are assholes, and the other 10% is too high ranked to play with newbies (no offense). It is rare to find a good group of people to pvp with without having experience.

arcanemacabre · Jul 31, 2006, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

to you maybe.

My guildmates can be immature, because its fun. We like to joke around a lot. However we dont have fun at other people's expense. Thats when you cross into asshole territory ;P

Completely agree. This is a game afterall. There's no reason to be an asshole, and there's equally no reason to be a prude and not have fun. When you find a happy medium, then everyone can enjoy themselves.

Inde · Jul 31, 2006, 06:28 AM // 06:28

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Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

Pardon my asking, but where did you pull that demographic?

For MMOG's, only 25% of gamers are teenagers. 50% work full-time, 36% are married, and 22% have children. MMOG players spend an average of 22 hours a week in the gaming environment and it's not indicative of age. In other words, older players spend the same amount of time playing these games as younger players.

The average gamer is 32 years old.

chimpy11 · Jul 31, 2006, 11:21 AM // 11:21

I must say I've experienced the complete opposite to the OP. The vast majority of PvEers I've met are idiots while the opposite is true in PvP.

In TA I must admit I've met mostly nice ppl. Of course I'm selective about who I team with and I dont accept random invites. In RA on the other hand most ppl are absolutely ass*$~/ and it just shows that you need to be selective.

BTW, OP if u want to get into PvP just give me a PM, I'll be happy to show u the ropes.

forelli3600 · Jul 31, 2006, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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I am so frustrated lately. My husband and I have almost finished getting all of the skills from prophecies and factions. Now we want to PVP. But argh, the people who we run into are just unfathomably clueless, rude, childish or all of the above!

We've been trying to meet new people, so one of my adverts in HA and TA is "husb/wife duo seeks to meet group of mature people to pvp with regularly" and you wouldn't believe the inane and rude comments I get back. "OMG you let your wife play?" (Hey buddy I'm the wife) to "Mature? so you want to talk about sex?" (uh, no, mature is not a measure of what crude topic you choose for discussion, rather, what you choose not to talk about). Or we get on vent/ts with these supposed "mature people" are bragging about smoking dope or start hitting on me as soon as they find out I am a woman.

I am so close to fed up. I just want to pvp as a team with people who don't want to talk about pot and sex all the time.

On a side note, I believe a huge downfall to this game is they don't charge a nominal monthly fee. At least a monthly fee would keep the kiddies out who can't do anything without mommy or daddy's credit card.

Anyway, thank you for letting me vent. Argh.

Xorena I can only agree with you. I can only recommend you to try and find a guild to play pvp.
PvP is hard to start but once you're used to it and you met some nice ppl to play with you'll see that pvp is the best there is in gw. Good Luck and HF

Snowman · Jul 31, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

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Originally Posted by Inde

For MMOG's, only 25% of gamers are teenagers. 50% work full-time, 36% are married, and 22% have children. MMOG players spend an average of 22 hours a week in the gaming environment and it's not indicative of age. In other words, older players spend the same amount of time playing these games as younger players.

The average gamer is 32 years old.

Oh this makes me feel much better!

Im 28 and I think I am the oldest person in the guild

baz777 · Jul 31, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

I’m 46 so I suppose that makes me mature, in years at least.

I’ve often had good conversations, (intellectual and well structured), with guild members only to find that they are aged 12 to 14. We’ve had the odd really immature one in the guild from time to time but generally they have not lasted too long.

And at 46 I am the oldest in our guild, (probably our alliance as well).

TriXor · Jul 31, 2006, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by Xorena

On a side note, I believe a huge downfall to this game is they don't charge a nominal monthly fee. At least a monthly fee would keep the kiddies out who can't do anything without mommy or daddy's credit card.

Now that is what i call a immature remark. Just because you have had some bad experiences with some of the 'younger' players, you immediatly want them to insert a monthly fee, and screw this game up.
Most 'kiddies' as you call them won't care, cuz their mom and dad will pay it for them.

Not all GW players have the capability to pay a montly fee, but you don't care.. as long as you are happy, huh?

And one other thing. You are asking for those 'Childish' comments, with your 'husb/wife looking for' add. This is not a contact add for swingers, but a game, mainly played by the 'younger generation'. Want to play with normal PvP players? Then stop thinking we care about your marital status, and act like a GW player, in stead of a housewife.

There, that is what i think about it.

Now don't get me wrong, i think it's cool for a husband and wife playing the game together, but PLEASE, don't bother us with the fact that you are just that.

Grtz, TriXor

Xorena · Jul 31, 2006, 12:37 PM // 12:37

Ooh Trixor is a bit testy! How about you stop ragging on me for trying to have fun? I already retracted my comment about having a monthly fee for GW (it was a comment made of rage, and I played WOW so I know fees won't stop the assholery). My previous comment also said I wasn't going to be using personal info to try to get a group. Learn to read?

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A lot of my guild is not mature (burping contests on vent, crude jokes, etc), but we dont tolerate assholes.

Yes there is definitely a distinction. I guess it's up to each individual player's taste as to what they can tolerate. I can tolerate some of the jokes, etc (depending on the nature) but not the assholes (see above comment).

Matty Of WBB · Jul 31, 2006, 12:40 PM // 12:40

after reading this post i thought to myself daaammmm u guys really must care what these other immature's say to you why should it hurt you?
i have a saying that goes like this sticks an stones.... whatever they do to hurt you will come back on them twice as bad + if u are mature enuff u can take what they say on the chin an laugh at them cuz they only make themself's look the idoits i have to say i have come across all these peeps since i have played this game an the best thing to do is not care what they say at all or just qestion them like the police that gets them even more pissed

be true to yaself cuz what comes around goes around

huMptY DumPty · Jul 31, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

lol try not to be immature then.
Simply if a person starts cussing at you... just stay calm and tell him to stop it; and let him/her be.

Don't take it to heart lol.

Just leave those immature ones alone lol.

Lex · Jul 31, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by Inde

The average gamer is 32 years old.

Bah.. that makes me over-average gamer...

Hephaestus Ram · Jul 31, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Matty Of WBB

after reading this post i thought to myself daaammmm u guys really must care what these other immature's say to you why should it hurt you?
i have a saying that goes like this sticks an stones.... whatever they do to hurt you will come back on them twice as bad + if u are mature enuff u can take what they say on the chin an laugh at them cuz they only make themself's look the idoits i have to say i have come across all these peeps since i have played this game an the best thing to do is not care what they say at all or just qestion them like the police that gets them even more pissed

be true to yaself cuz what comes around goes around

I know it sound good when you recommend this "philosopy", but it
doesn't work that way in reality. You can't numb yourself to the mean,
hateful things people say and do, without also numbing yourself to
the good and kind things also. To be open to pleasure and joy requires
that you also leave yourself open to pain and sorrow. You can't have
the one without the other, and it's not worth giving up the one to avoid
the other.